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What a baby! You lost get over it. I hope u guys rot in last place for another 8 years. You and your cry baby coach deserve it. People need to stop over-analyzing every play. No game is won or lost by a single play or call. The Giants won they were the better team the entire game. They are also the team that destroyed both the packers and falcons. Nice to see he is just as much of a douche bag sore loser too. The call the ref made is pretty much standard. Bradshaw was completely wrapped up, and when he started to be driven back the ref blew the whistle, and then the defender ripped the ball out.
Quite obviously not a fumble. I was very surprised to learn today that this was even a controversial call. This is pretty much emotion-driven stuff, lead by an over-emotional head coach. Pretty honorable of Harbaugh to try and redirect the attention off of Williams for single-handedly blowing the game.
Not that many will care here based on the comments but Harbaugh was asked a direct question and gave an honest answer. Please not he was not whining about losing or complaining that he was robbed or anything like that.
But to me the play was continuing. This one, I did not agree with. Felt like it was a fumble. Harbaugh is a bad loser, every loss this year he had something to whine about. Did you see the handshake with Coughlin? Comparing the tuck rule to the forward progress call??? Go GIants! Did anyone see the ravens receiver …whit four patriots defenders pushing back for about five seconds whit no whistle….. Firstly, Bradshaw was mobbed and being bent backward awkwardly. The whistle was trying to avoid getting a player injured while being dragged backward.
You may recall the Giants doing so against the Packers. Stay classy, Jim. First off, listen to the replay, they did NOT blow the whistle before the ball came loose so you can throw that excuse one out the door. Secondly, if Bradshaw had somehow maintained his balance while going backward and broken that tackle he could have proceeded forward beyond his previously marked forward progress until he was eventually tackled and taken to the ground again.
Again, the whistle did not blow until after the ball came loose in this case. They found a way to win. Our Defense dominated your Offense. Harbaugh shows about as much class as the drunk angry 49er fans who were booing the national anthem before the game. WTF is up with San Fran? It felt like America won. Like common decency and good sportsmanship won. It felt great to see the Red White and Blue victorious. I think on the field it should of been ruled a fumble.
I have watched the NFL for a long time. The rules have never been more nebulous and inconsistent in both definition and interpretation than they were this past season. A lot of good teams got screwed this year by calls that greatly affected games. Forget about moving the sport to London and focus on fixing the rulebook and educating those who enforce it. I respect the job that Harbaugh did with the 49ers this year. But the man has a lot to learn about respect and losing gracefully.
Then he refused to do the post-game interview with Fox. Now today he was pissing and moaning about a referee call. You lost, accept it, take it like a man, use it for motivation and come back and try again next season.
Why are the Harbaughs, Both John and Jim, such poor sports? Neither wins with class, nor loses with it. And today this whining about a game that is done and over with. Both of these guys are whiners and sore losers, which makes you wonder if the entire family is. We all know the refs are going to screw the Giants in the Super Bowl in order to give Kraft a trophy. The refs giveth and the refs taketh away. Davis stepped out of bounds. Jim Harbaugh, I love you.
But right now, you really need to get on with the shutting up and the not whining. Start working on next year. Forward progress is a rule everybody who has watched one game understands. We have seen balls get stripped like this in the past and will see it again in the future, what a dope. It was NOT a fumble because the play was dead at the whistle, end of story. Sore losers, Forty-Whiners fans. Saints fans took their loss like men.
Pats fan here. This call was not even close. Forward progress is the easiest most unobjective call in the game. Ram says: Jan 23, PM Excuses are like ass. When ever you taunt your opponents after so long, it tends to come back and haunt you. Hence their kick off team dancing, taunting, pointing fingers at the opposing team huddled in the middle of the field while the dj plays some stupid hip hop music.
It starts at the the coach that likes to run his suck and trickles down. So quit your crying and start displaying good sportsmanship. Just to make things clear, the tuck rule ywas used against the Pats that same year. The jets got that call! Jim Harbaugh is fastly becoming the most annoying coach in the NFL! Jim in my opinion, Davis stepped out of bounds on his first touch down and if the 15 yards would still apply the ball should have been spotted at the 50 yard line and with your inept offense Lee would have had to punt for the 50th time in the game!
I like Jim Harbaugh, but how a NFL coach could not know how a simple rule like forward progress works is beyond me. That East Coast bias? We lost and harbaugh needs to learn some sportsmanship. For those of you claiming forward progress was stopped so the play was over are missing the point.
If its as simple as that, then a lot of fumbles would never be called. But on that play, Thomas stopped moving forward as soon as whitner hit him, before he lost the ball. So at what point is that discretion made?
One thing is consistent…inconsistency by officials.. Losing all respect for this whiner. I have it recorded and i just watched the thing about 10 times, the ball came out before the whistle was blown. Thats a fact. They cry like little babies. Ha Ha. I laugh in their faces. Ha ha. From home. Coach Harbaugh should be pointing out that his QB missed wide open receivers all day long. And the return guy Williams had 2 turnovers all by himself.
The whiners won big all year from creating turnovers and now in the playoffs they lost because their opponent was the one creating turnovers. What goes around comes around. Harbaughs whining is tarnishing an otherwise great season by the whiners.
Geaux Saints! Geaux Eli! See ya in Indy Jim! It was a fumble. The fact that anyone defends it with a straight face is just ludicrous to me. Like everything else related to NFL officiating — no consistency. We have a new sucky-brothers champion in the NFL. Have you ever heard Belichick complain about a call? Now for the 10,th time, the Tuck Rule was properly applied in the Snow Bowl. And to be clear, the Tuck Rule still exists and has not been modified.
The league looked at the rule after the 01 season and decided that no changes were warranted. Every team that loses looks back on a call they wish they had gotten, or a play they should have made, and this is no different. Had the Giants lost, they would probably be doing the same thing. And the answer about Akers is No. The guy from Buffalo lost 4 with them and one with you guessed it!
The Gmen. If Bradshaw squirted through that pile then what would the call been? Remember the lynch run vs the eagles in Seattle this year? I just think its another case of human error in the game. As it looks like a fumble, the refs are covered by the magic whistle which is the end all. But this did not decide the game. Tom Brady fumbled. Ed Hochuli even tried to say that in one of the games this weekend.
The call on the field was a fumble. Brady knew he fumbled. He hung his head and trudged off the field. You cannot tell me the evidence was there to overturn the call on the field. One Rex Ryan is too much. As a high school football official, I said it at the time he was stopped. The more Jim harps on this point, the more he paints himself a sore loser.
His team lost the game thanks to a lot more than this. The West Coast Whining is out in full force. The NFL has nothing against you and did quite well with the 49ers dynasty back when. Last year it was two small markets not located on the east coast. We all have seen bad calls during these playoffs. And I thought the Ravens would be the ones doing all the whining. For once they have been extremely graceful but Harbaugh west seems to be taking up the banner. According to the letter of rule, it was the right call.
Seriously obnoxious, especially in victory. So be careful who you tell to stop whining. Let the Niner fans have their day to complain — correct or not. They choked that game away. Plays like that are momentum changers and gave the Patriots the ball with a chance to get more points. This is what people fail to acknowledge when the refs cheat like that.
Giants, XXXV. Harbaugh will whine all year. Did you even play Pop Warner at least? He was knocked back a full two yards before the ball came loose. Even on replay you can see that he was stopped by two guys, and going backward before the ball was stripped. Here is a great ad for the Super Bowl you have the hairbrain brothers crying about calls and Eli and Brady walk over and hand each of them a box of tissues they can be the new spokes men for Klenex.
Forward progress is not where the ball is when the whistle is blown but how far the ball reached BEFORE the whistle is blown. Those of you who think forward progress is a dumb rule have obviously never played the game of football.
Harbaugh needs to learn from the scrub Payton who filled in for him during the 87 strike. You have to do interviews after the game because the media makes the NFL what it is.
What an ss! I was watching on TV, and I am absolutely positive the whistle blew before the ball started to come loose. So absolutely positively it was not a fumble. Give it a rest Harbaugh. Stop whining. It was only one play of many. It was the correct ruling on the field…his progress was stopped and he was being pushed backwards. What plays did determine the outcome of the game Jim? Oh yeah, your two special teams turnovers. Gonna cry about those are ya? Williams didnt fumble?
The ball didnt hit his knee? How about your mediocre offense? Pretty sure thats where you should be focusing your energy right now. Niners got a free touchdown when Davis stepped out of bounds. And you all act like Kyle Williams simply dropped the ball in OT.
He had it knocked out by the Giants. How about some credit to the G-Men for going after the ball when it counted most. The definition of a dead ball from forward progress being stopped is when a player is dragging you backwards not allowing you to gain forward progress.
The san fran player was dragging Bradshaw to the ground 2 yards back and as he was falling to the ground, the other player stripped it right after the whistle blew that he was down.
The Pierre Thomas was not forward progress because he lost the ball just as the San Fran player hit him and he was not being pushed back by another player. The play was dead! Jim quit crying and take your loss like a man. Maybe it was going or whatever on 3rd down? Comon man! And the Forty Whiners coach keeps whining. He is a good choice to coach in San Francisco, because they have plenty of cheese out there to go with his whine. Bill Belichik, on the other hand is a GREAT coach — if a call goes against him it goes against him, but he is already twirling his nonexistent mustache and plotting more nefarious moves.
None of this matters anyhow now that Patriots are in the Super Bowl. The NFL would love to have a champion play in that game, so you can bet the powers that be are already working up a way to shaft the Giants. For the sake of their own sanity, the Niners are better off being the ones sitting at home watching the game. The Giant fans should just go ahead and prepare themselves for this now.
But on a couple carries by kendall hunter the whistle took prob about 5 times as long to get blown. The problem is that the rule is not implemented consistently. Players routinely have their forward progress stopped, struggle for a second or two, and then break to the outside to gain additional yardage.
That call was not even close. It was not a fumble. It is getting easier and easier to dislike Harbaugh. Jim should take notice of his brother and learn to live with it or his team will pay for it in the future.
The whistle was blown, dead ball. Harbaugh needs to stop crying, good coaches can rebound from bad calls. Anyway, that was a good call. Frank Gore is carrying the ball and gets to the 22 yard line. He is subsequently grabbed by JPP, who drags him back to the 19 yard line where Gore goes down without losing the ball.
Where do you spot Frank Gore? Deal with it 49ers fans. Goodness gracious. Giants fans are funny they claim that letting the play continue when according to the rule Eli was in the grasp and should have never gotten that lucky pass off but the fastest whistle ever blown on Bradshaw and that was cool I see what ever works for these idiot fans is golden.
As a Giants fan, I can understand, as much as every 9er fan complaining in this blog, how it is to be screwed on a penalty or a non-penalty. No arguments there. Let me remind these same die-hard 9ers fans and non-Giants fans haters , that the Giants got screwed on two calls in Green Bay and still went away with the win. Even the NFL expert in officiating said it himself that the Giants should have gotten the fumble on Jennings and the roughing the passer should not have been called late in the game.
So for people to attribute the non-fumble or questionable call as giving the Giants the game, is not just absurd, it is downright stupid. For Harbaugh, I think he should consult Kyle Williams. Now get over it. One freaking call? That is your argument for the 9ers losing the game?
His forward progress had been stoopped. He had been drug back two yards. The gray area here though is if you watch the replay, the whistle clearly does not blow until after the ball has popped out. Play was called correctly, his progress was obviously stopped, but watch and listen to the replay.
Ball is two feet up in the air when the whistle blows. Lets be honest… Niner fan here and that was the right call due to the whistle being blown.
Quick whistle? On sunday Giants ball no fumble… every other day in the NFL no question fumble niners ball! You can bitch and moan but I bet the Giants fans thinks its a great call, just like they would think it was a horrible call if it didnt go their way.
Its part of the game, crying about it afterward wont make any difference. In that case, the Pats get a first down at the end of the game because Gronk was held and Lee Evans never even gets a chance at the ball. In the end, when your back up kick returner hands the winning margin to the other team — in TWO installments, complaining about plays that happen in every game shows poor sportsmanship.
Bradshaw was carried backwards for a few yards, the whistle was blown which means the play was dead and then the ball came out. There is no conspiracy. Good teams overcome bad calls. Notice how the Giants were hosed on several calls last week against the Pack, yet they just won anyway, and by more than one score. The game is over. The Giants won. We get it. The point that is really being missed here is that if you go back and watch the replay, the official threw his little blue bean bag which signfies the point of a fumble and then ran over to the Referee and said that he called forward progress.
Whether it was or not will always be a point of debate. The official making indications both ways will always lead to controversy. Just stop the bashing of Harbaugh. Any team that lost that way would be doing the same thing. He took a 6 and 10 team and finished 13 and 3 while going on the road and beat some really good teams, with the same players as last year. The 49ers will only get better over the next several years.
Just please beat the Hateriots! This thread sounds like were discussing politics. The ball came out and then the whistle blew. You lost, shut up and deal with it punk. Atlas Hochuley could barely get his lips off your tush for most of the game. If Harbaugh spent more time coaching than complainign to the officials like the crybaby that he is, then maybe he would be in Super Bowl. Arrogant gloater when he wins, pathetic excuse-maker when he loses.
Par for the course, nothing new to report here. He should definitely get a fine for his words. This guy has an ego the size of Texas. So does his brother. But more than anything, Walt freakin Coleman spent an eternity under the hood to come out and overturn something on a little known, rule, that may or may not have applied as there was not enough visual evidence to overturn the call on the field… which, if you are paying attention was fumble.
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